Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

[RawandKurdistani]

You guys are funny. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but KDP has no power in WK and the way PYD has sacrificed martyrs from 2004 til now is the reason they are so strong in WK. If KDP had done the same great work, they could have shared the power. KDP will forever be an entity in SK only. They have no power or popular support what so ever in any other part of Kurdistan like KCK ( PKK, PJAK, PYD) does. We all know this, so let us not start these stupid propaganda against PYD based on this unreliable source called Rudaw.

It is funny to see how Rudaw all of sudden becomes reliable and trustworthy source whenever it comes to ''crimes'' commited by PYD. But whenever it criticizes Barzani or KDP and sides with Gorran, then Rudaw becomes '' jash media/ lying sons of bit***/ unreliable idiots'' etc.

You said this and that person was killed by PYD so many times before. KNC was so sure PYD had killed Tamo until it recently becamse clear it was Assad. Remember the smearing campaign against PYD? Only regionalists like the KRG-supporters on here supported that claim. It never even touched the PYD's popularity in WK.

Kurds must control west Kurdistan, not just PYd. I really don't give a sh*t how many PYD members we're martyred. West Kurdistan belongs to all kurds, not just one group.

The people choose who they want to lead them. PYD is a populist party. It follows the order of the people just like PKK/BDP. Young people from all over WK constitutes YPG and politicians from all over Kurdistan control PYD. So it is not just ''one group''. It is not a group that just all of sudden appeared out of nowhere and thought '' hey, let us see if we can do something for people here''. That is how you guys want to portray it. But as said, sorry to burst your bubbel - wake up to reality - PYD is the most popular party in WK for a lot of reasons. The people choose who they want to represent them and the people have chosen PYD. It is not up to me nor you, it is up to the people of WK.

If you think this is unfair and that this is cruel, if you think PYD is not the right party, then try and convince people for an alternative.

Hey, i believe in democracy. If the kurdish population there supports PYD, i'm fine with it. But you can't deny that the areas close to the border of south Kurdistan are more pro KNC, and yet PYD decided to take over all the power there. As a kurd i don't wanna hate other kurds, and i really don't either, but i think PYD has let power rise to their head.

[RawandKurdistani]

Whatever, but if we lose West Kurdistan I am going to make a thread about both of you and how Naive you both were and you have to apologize and become a kdpi supporter instead of PKK.

Haha, you must be naive if you think we will lose WK. 2-3 million Kurds have to die before this happens.

We lost the republic of Mahabad, so don't underestimate your enemy. Or this autonomy will soon be history.

[RawandKurdistani]

Qonyeyi, ez chave te mach kim ...you said what i wanted to say! ... very true and dast xwesh..

Purearch, KNC has no power or what is called fighters! they fighters you talking about are KDP fighters ..it is very clear... not that we are against any kurdish fighter! but when it is time the door will be open! I have said this before! we don't need to be involved in this fight between regime and opposition! lets be smart and watch and in the mean time lets get ready for worse which PYD is doing right now by creating YPG....when the regime is about to die then that time the strategy will be different

So you just said that PYD refuses to let kurds inside west Kurdistan! And KNC has power, but PYD refuses to let them use it. You should open your eyes, west Kurdistan belongs to all kurds, and PYD, KNC, PDK, PKK or any other group has nothing to say.

[Qonyeyi]

Rawand your so funny. Yes, I CAN DENY that KNC has no power. Not even in the towns close to SK. They cant even stage demonstrations with 1000 participants. And dont tell me that PYD does not allow. Generally: KNC= Ala rengin, PYD= Kurdish tricolor. Now, you tell me which kind of flags are waven the most. I believe this is one of the reasons PYD uses Kurdish tricolor instead of Ala Rengin. Because newspapers around the world WANTS to believe that there are areas in WK which are mainly pro-KNC. But these areas do not exist. Go watch Newroz videos from Qamishlo, Efrin, Qobane, Derik, Tirbispiye, Hesice, Derika Hemko heck even Aleppo. Thousands of people on the streets and during Newroz. Only place I might be in doubt is Amude. Now, I am not the type of guy who denies if KCK-affiliated parties ( PYD) have no power in areas. I have on many occasions on these boards made it clear where KCK has power and where it has no power. One place where it definitely has power is WK - by many miles ahead of KRG-affiliated parties ( KNC). One reason being that PKK has been active in the area for a lot of years. A lot of guerillas and shehid are from here. Most singers from this area ( Xero Abbas, Xelil Xemgin, Hekim Sefkan and others) have for many years shown their open support for PKK and Apo.

[RawandKurdistani]

Rawand your so funny. Yes, I CAN DENY that KNC has no power. Not even in the towns close to SK. They cant even stage demonstrations with 1000 participants. And dont tell me that PYD does not allow. Generally: KNC= Ala rengin, PYD= Kurdish tricolor. Now, you tell me which kind of flags are waven the most. I believe this is one of the reasons PYD uses Kurdish tricolor instead of Ala Rengin. Because newspapers around the world WANTS to believe that there are areas in WK which are mainly pro-KNC. But these areas do not exist. Go watch Newroz videos from Qamishlo, Efrin, Qobane, Derik, Tirbispiye, Hesice, Derika Hemko heck even Aleppo. Thousands of people on the streets and during Newroz. Only place I might be in doubt is Amude. Now, I am not the type of guy who denies if KCK-affiliated parties ( PYD) have no power in areas. I have on many occasions on these boards made it clear where KCK has power and where it has no power. One place where it definitely has power is WK - by many miles ahead of KRG-affiliated parties ( KNC). One reason being that PKK has been active in the area for a lot of years. A lot of guerillas and shehid are from here. Most singers from this area ( Xero Abbas, Xelil Xemgin, Hekim Sefkan and others) have for many years shown their open support for PKK and Apo.

If we have to discuss flags again: All of Hasaka province waved our traditional flag, but when PYD came, that changed. Don't try do deny it, deeply inside you know it yourself. And you wanna know why so many people go with PYD? (As you claim, i have'nt seen any proof) Because they have an armed force, and did allow KNC to have one as well.
Now why are we even discussing this? Kurdistan is for all kurds, not one party, end of story.

[Qonyeyi]

Rawand your so funny. Yes, I CAN DENY that KNC has no power. Not even in the towns close to SK. They cant even stage demonstrations with 1000 participants. And dont tell me that PYD does not allow. Generally: KNC= Ala rengin, PYD= Kurdish tricolor. Now, you tell me which kind of flags are waven the most. I believe this is one of the reasons PYD uses Kurdish tricolor instead of Ala Rengin. Because newspapers around the world WANTS to believe that there are areas in WK which are mainly pro-KNC. But these areas do not exist. Go watch Newroz videos from Qamishlo, Efrin, Qobane, Derik, Tirbispiye, Hesice, Derika Hemko heck even Aleppo. Thousands of people on the streets and during Newroz. Only place I might be in doubt is Amude. Now, I am not the type of guy who denies if KCK-affiliated parties ( PYD) have no power in areas. I have on many occasions on these boards made it clear where KCK has power and where it has no power. One place where it definitely has power is WK - by many miles ahead of KRG-affiliated parties ( KNC). One reason being that PKK has been active in the area for a lot of years. A lot of guerillas and shehid are from here. Most singers from this area ( Xero Abbas, Xelil Xemgin, Hekim Sefkan and others) have for many years shown their open support for PKK and Apo.

If we have to discuss flags again: All of Hasaka province waved our traditional flag, but when PYD came, that changed. Don't try do deny it, deeply inside you know it yourself. And you wanna know why so many people go with PYD? (As you claim, i have'nt seen any proof) Because they have an armed force, and did allow KNC to have one as well.
Now why are we even discussing this? Kurdistan is for all kurds, not one party, end of story.

Kurdistan is for all people. I never denied this. But do not try to impose KRG-affiliation in WK and marginalize PYD at the same time. The people will have to choose. It is not up to us.

[RawandKurdistani]

Rawand your so funny. Yes, I CAN DENY that KNC has no power. Not even in the towns close to SK. They cant even stage demonstrations with 1000 participants. And dont tell me that PYD does not allow. Generally: KNC= Ala rengin, PYD= Kurdish tricolor. Now, you tell me which kind of flags are waven the most. I believe this is one of the reasons PYD uses Kurdish tricolor instead of Ala Rengin. Because newspapers around the world WANTS to believe that there are areas in WK which are mainly pro-KNC. But these areas do not exist. Go watch Newroz videos from Qamishlo, Efrin, Qobane, Derik, Tirbispiye, Hesice, Derika Hemko heck even Aleppo. Thousands of people on the streets and during Newroz. Only place I might be in doubt is Amude. Now, I am not the type of guy who denies if KCK-affiliated parties ( PYD) have no power in areas. I have on many occasions on these boards made it clear where KCK has power and where it has no power. One place where it definitely has power is WK - by many miles ahead of KRG-affiliated parties ( KNC). One reason being that PKK has been active in the area for a lot of years. A lot of guerillas and shehid are from here. Most singers from this area ( Xero Abbas, Xelil Xemgin, Hekim Sefkan and others) have for many years shown their open support for PKK and Apo.

If we have to discuss flags again: All of Hasaka province waved our traditional flag, but when PYD came, that changed. Don't try do deny it, deeply inside you know it yourself. And you wanna know why so many people go with PYD? (As you claim, i have'nt seen any proof) Because they have an armed force, and did allow KNC to have one as well.
Now why are we even discussing this? Kurdistan is for all kurds, not one party, end of story.

Kurdistan is for all people. I never denied this. But do not try to impose KRG-affiliation in WK and marginalize PYD at the same time. The people will have to choose. It is not up to us.

First off: Did you completly ignore the PYD thread?
I really don't care all that much for KRG. But unless the people says otherwise, the power must be shared. It was a part of the Hewler agreement.
Bye the way, I'm not anti PKK. If you take a look at US message board in the Kurdistan independence thread, you will see i defend PKK against the turkish mongols.

[alan131210]

Qonyeyi

PYD we like it or not will never get any official international support under PKK but thru KRG it will happen, so do not under estimate KRG and they must have control over WK.

[Cewlik]

Qonyeyi

PYD we like it or not will never get any official international support under PKK but thru KRG it will happen, so do not under estimate KRG and they must have control over WK.

That is the problem, they think that the PKK, which have no support will handle everything. They dont even accept the fact that west Kurdistan have no mountains, they think PYD alone can defend a small strip with a population of 1,5 Million. I already said that this syrian civil war is a chance to build a united force, because the bordes from south and west Kurdistan will not be open for ever, that is just a transition time because of the civil war. But they think the right time to call the Peshmerga is after Assads fall and after FSA starts to attack Kurds, but then it will be to late.

[RawandKurdistani]

Qonyeyi

PYD we like it or not will never get any official international support under PKK but thru KRG it will happen, so do not under estimate KRG and they must have control over WK.

That is the problem, they think that the PKK, which have no support will handle everything. They dont even accept the fact that west Kurdistan have no mountains, they think PYD alone can defend a small strip with a population of 1,5 Million. I already said that this syrian civil war is a chance to build a united force, because the bordes from south and west Kurdistan will not be open for ever, that is just a transition time because of the civil war. But they think the right time to call the Peshmerga is after Assads fall and after FSA starts to attack Kurds, but then it will be to late.

Your very right indeed. This is the last chance of freeing west Kurdistan, if we miss this, then it's over. Sadly PYD does'nt seem to understand this.

[Qonyeyi]

Qonyeyi

PYD we like it or not will never get any official international support under PKK but thru KRG it will happen, so do not under estimate KRG and they must have control over WK.

That is the problem, they think that the PKK, which have no support will handle everything. They dont even accept the fact that west Kurdistan have no mountains, they think PYD alone can defend a small strip with a population of 1,5 Million. I already said that this syrian civil war is a chance to build a united force, because the bordes from south and west Kurdistan will not be open for ever, that is just a transition time because of the civil war. But they think the right time to call the Peshmerga is after Assads fall and after FSA starts to attack Kurds, but then it will be to late.

PKK has no support at all. Are they doing good or bad? And I am not only talking about the military campaign. I am talking about the civil and political campaign as well. PKK, for 30 years, has been standing against psychological and political propaganda. Not only from Turkey's side but from EU, USA, Iran and Israel side aswell. Kurdish people in NK has been subjected to numerous atrocities during elections and when it was very important to show support for the freedom struggle. But this has not stopped PKK from growing larger and larger. This, also, makes the military campaign less important. As I said, you can not stop millions of people who are struggling for the same goal no matter what weapons you have. Sooner or later Turkey also has to adress these millions of people. Even if Turkey ignores and denies the Kurdish people, the Kurdish people has such a strong position that it will built its own society inside the borders as we have seen with KCK system. I believe very much that the situation is the same in WK. Mountains or not. Professional army or not. International support or not.

I know it is hard for you guys to grasp as you have been convinced that Kurdistan can not be built without USA, EU and neighbouring countries support as we have seen with KRG. You guys are too dependant on outside factors, but we all know that these can not be trust. It is merely for economical interests that KRG is surviving. Hypotheticaly, KRG will have no problems with any countries at least 80 years forward as they have oil for this. And I am happy for them. But you can not inforce and impose same matters on other Kurds. Kurds in NK and WK wants to be independant from political factors that are only based on economy. This is also why PKK's support and fame is not based on economy but on ideology.

It is a fundemental question; If you wanna be dependant on economic-political matters, it is up to you. But if another people wants to be dependant on political and ideological will, it is up to them. Im sorry, but your aristocrathic and regime-like mentality just does not work in WK and NK. And thank God for that.

[RawandKurdistani]

Qonyeyi

PYD we like it or not will never get any official international support under PKK but thru KRG it will happen, so do not under estimate KRG and they must have control over WK.

That is the problem, they think that the PKK, which have no support will handle everything. They dont even accept the fact that west Kurdistan have no mountains, they think PYD alone can defend a small strip with a population of 1,5 Million. I already said that this syrian civil war is a chance to build a united force, because the bordes from south and west Kurdistan will not be open for ever, that is just a transition time because of the civil war. But they think the right time to call the Peshmerga is after Assads fall and after FSA starts to attack Kurds, but then it will be to late.

PKK has no support at all. Are they doing good or bad? And I am not only talking about the military campaign. I am talking about the civil and political campaign as well. PKK, for 30 years, has been standing against psychological and political propaganda. Not only from Turkey's side but from EU, USA, Iran and Israel side aswell. Kurdish people in NK has been subjected to numerous atrocities during elections and when it was very important to show support for the freedom struggle. But this has not stopped PKK from growing larger and larger. This, also, makes the military campaign less important. As I said, you can not stop millions of people who are struggling for the same goal no matter what weapons you have. Sooner or later Turkey also has to adress these millions of people. Even if Turkey ignores and denies the Kurdish people, the Kurdish people has such a strong position that it will built its own society inside the borders as we have seen with KCK system. I believe very much that the situation is the same in WK. Mountains or not. Professional army or not. International support or not.

I know it is hard for you guys to grasp as you have been convinced that Kurdistan can not be built without USA, EU and neighbouring countries support as we have seen with KRG. You guys are too dependant on outside factors, but we all know that these can not be trust. It is merely for economical interests that KRG is surviving. Hypotheticaly, KRG will have no problems with any countries at least 80 years forward as they have oil for this. And I am happy for them. But you can not inforce and impose same matters on other Kurds. Kurds in NK and WK wants to be independant from political factors that are only based on economy. This is also why PKK's support and fame is not based on economy but on ideology.

It is a fundemental question; If you wanna be dependant on economic-political matters, it is up to you. But if another people wants to be dependant on political and ideological will, it is up to them. Im sorry, but your aristocrathic and regime-like mentality just does not work in WK and NK. And thank God for that.

Brother, please try to understand that we're worried for millions of kurds in west Kurdistan. Fact is that PYD has no support at all, and you expect them to handle, FSA, Turkey and even the US! And remember that KRG leads the way for a greater Kurdistan, don't think they are selfish f*cks.

[RawandKurdistani]

YPG's retaliation attack in Aleppo killing 19

ALEPPO (DIHA) - YPG forces made a retaliation attack in Aleppo city of Syria towards the Free Syrian Army groups, that assaulted on the civilian in Esrefiye neighbourhood of Aleppo and killed 5 people. It has been stated that 19 members of FSA were killed and lots others were wounded and caught with their armies.

The clash lasted to the late hours (yesterday) between Yekîneyên Parastina Gel (People's Defense Unities) and so-called Free Syrian Army groups in the Esrefiye neighbourhood of Aleppo. FSA members fired at the civilians and killed 5 people. Therupon, YPG forces made a retaliation attack in Aleppo city of Syria towards the so-called Free Syrian Army groups. It has been stated that 19 members of FSA were killed and lots others were wounded and caught with their armies.

Source: http://www.diclehaber.com/2/1002/viewNews/327408

Nice

[Qonyeyi]

Brother, please try to understand that we're worried for millions of kurds in west Kurdistan. Fact is that PYD has no support at all, and you expect them to handle, FSA, Turkey and even the US! And why do you keep splitting up kurds? There is no difference between a southern and a northern kurd. And remember that KRG leads the way for a greater Kurdistan, don't think they are selfish f*cks.

Did anyone expect PKK to handle Turkey, Syria, Iran, USA and EU? Brother, do not under estimate yourself. Do not underestimate other Kurds. Do not underestimate the power of other Kurdish parties. You see, this is what economical dependancy does to people. They lose faith in others who do not have the same support as themselves. And no, KRG does not lead the way for a greater Kurdistan. You might believe so, but I don't. Again, you can not impose your ideas on others. Not that I have anything against them leading the way for a greater Kurdistan, but they do not have the popular support for it. And why do you even want ONE party to lead the way for Kurdistan?

I never said there was a difference between Kurds from different parts. But it clear as light that the political systems are worlds apart.

[Cewlik]

I believe very much that the situation is the same in WK. Mountains or not. Professional army or not. International support or not.

This is very ignorant what you say, because at the end the Kurds in west Kurdistan must pay the price.

We all know that this civil war in syria will end one day, and because of the PYD Kurds dont get the change to use this time to build a united force. It will be much easier for the FSA with the support of Turkey, NATO, USA to attack west Kurdistan.