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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: brendar » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:44 pm

Frankly the plan is not going the way turkey and USA wanted . They thought they can create another Libya but they have failed so far . Damascus is virtually free of fighting and Asad troops are closing in to Alepoo which should be the biggest battle . If the FSA does not get air cover they will be crushed sooner or later .


Kak talsor, Libya is not syria and neither Aleppo is Bangazi. The difference between syria and libya is huge. Libya exports morethan 1.5m barrels per day, whereas syria exports less than 200,000 a day. Also, libya was a peace of cake because of no friends.
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PostAuthor: kurdistanis1 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:29 pm

brendar wrote:
Frankly the plan is not going the way turkey and USA wanted . They thought they can create another Libya but they have failed so far . Damascus is virtually free of fighting and Asad troops are closing in to Alepoo which should be the biggest battle . If the FSA does not get air cover they will be crushed sooner or later .


Kak talsor, Libya is not syria and neither Aleppo is Bangazi. The difference between syria and libya is huge. Libya exports morethan 1.5m barrels per day, whereas syria exports less than 200,000 a day. Also, libya was a peace of cake because of no friends.


Good point about the friends part, I'm sure Russia isn't to happy about another one of its allies being overthrown. Best case is a 3 state solution happens and the allawites hope they don't get massacred in the aftermath.
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: talsor » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:32 pm

brendar wrote:Kak talsor, Libya is not syria and neither Aleppo is Bangazi. The difference between syria and libya is huge. Libya exports morethan 1.5m barrels per day, whereas syria exports less than 200,000 a day. Also, libya was a peace of cake because of no friends.


They are exactly the same . 2 garbage states and that is all I can see :-D . No matter what happen heval we will end up on the winning side and hopefully we will cut this cake soon .

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PostAuthor: crazyhorse » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:00 am

talsor wrote:
brendar wrote:Kak talsor, Libya is not syria and neither Aleppo is Bangazi. The difference between syria and libya is huge. Libya exports morethan 1.5m barrels per day, whereas syria exports less than 200,000 a day. Also, libya was a peace of cake because of no friends.


They are exactly the same . 2 garbage states and that is all I can see :-D . No matter what happen heval we will end up on the winning side and hopefully we will cut this cake soon .

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Weirdest sun I've ever seen :p.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:57 am

KNC Leader: Syrian Kurds are Disappointed by PYD's Actions

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PostAuthor: zaxo10 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:59 am

alan131210 wrote:KNC Leader: Syrian Kurds are Disappointed by PYD's Actions

http://www.rudaw.net/english/interview/5030.html


Why?

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:56 pm

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PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:04 pm

alan131210 wrote:Kurdish soldiers of WK getting trained in KRG

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its time to send them in.

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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:15 pm

I dont know if the KNC is only making bad name about the PYD (what reason should the KNC have since they are both united under one goal), yet many of their actions make me suspicious. I say if PYD really continues to act like this than this should have consequences because it will not even be "Bra Kuj" if they terrorize the kurdish People just to get support they dont deserve anything else but to be not viewed as "Bra". And they will not have any support from the People. One of the main reasons why I might lose sympathy for this "ideologist group"

PYD should drastically start to work more in Kurdish interests and stop making pressure on the Kurds, if this allegations are really true and Western Kurdistan "fails" because of this behave than PYD and as well PKK will be taken as responsible and I will be one of the first who will start to stand against them anywhere I can. We Kurds dont fight against our enemies just to be raped by a group which should meant to be secure us.


Of course as I said only if this allegations are true. Yet I dont believe that it is entirely true but more dramatized.
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Turkey must work with Syria's Kurds

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:18 pm

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While Turkey may be threatened by Kurdish gains in Syria, there's little it can do to prevent an autonomous Syrian Kurdistan

Turkey's support for the uprising against Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, has been challenged during the last week or so as Kurds in the north-east of Syria have taken control of several towns and cities.

The ploy, if it succeeds, will bring a further extension of Kurdish automony in the Middle East, complementing Iraq's booming Kurdistan region, where 5 million Kurds govern themselves as a federal entity within Iraq and with minimal interference from the central government in Baghdad.

The problem from Turkey's perspective is two-fold: firstly, a Syrian Kurdistan alongside Iraqi Kurdistan will encourage Turkey's own restive Kurdish population to demand greater political and human rights, as well as embolden their demands for autonomy from the rest of Turkey.

Turkey's Kurds, numbering more than 13 million, are a far more sizeable group than their fellow Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Iran. As in Syria, Turkey's Kurds have been targeted through oppressive measures that have suppressed their cultural, political and human rights.

The second problem for Turkey relates to the Kurdistan Workers party (PKK), a guerilla movement that has fought the Turkish state over the past 40 years. Initially the PKK sought autonomy for Turkey's marginalised Kurds but later turned to demanding greater political and human rights, following the imprisonment of the organisation's leader Abdullah Öcalan in 1999 and the movement's eventual decline.

A Syrian Kurdistan, however, would offer a lifeline to the PKK in the same way the uprising in Syria has provided an opportunity for other political movements to assert their presence. Further, the PKK is closely linked in Syria to the Democratic Union party (PYD) which controls most of the liberated areas as part of a broader coalition of Kurdish parties in Syria, known as the People's Council for Western Kurdistan (PCWK). The other main Kurdish opposition bloc of parties is called the Kurdish National Council (KNC).

In other words, Turkey fears north-eastern Syria becoming a bastion for its long-time enemy the PKK (and its sister movement the PYD), fearing that this will supplement existing PKK strongholds in the rugged mountains of Iraq's Kurdistan region, which it has sought to eliminate – but without success – over the past 30 years through umpteen military incursions.

The Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, acknowledged these concerns last week, stating that Turkey would "not allow a terrorist group to establish camps in northern Syria and threaten Turkey". However, there is little Turkey can do.

Politically, if and when Assad falls, Turkey may continue to encourage the Arab-led opposition to resist Kurdish political and territorial demands but that hinges on the leverage that those forces will have in Kurdish-held areas. So far, Kurdish opposition fighters have prevented the Free Syrian Army from entering Syrian Kurdish territory.

It will also depend on the extent to which Arabs can be unified and whether a smooth transitional process follows Assad's downfall. Both are unlikely. While the rest of Syria will probably be embroiled in post-conflict infighting and instability, the Syrian Kurds – like the Iraqi Kurds after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein – are more likely to be remedying internal divisions, organising themselves and stabilising their region to create a buffer between a far more stable Syrian Kurdistan and the rest of a tumultuous Syria.

Here, the Kurds would be aided by brethren in Iraqi Kurdistan, where President Masoud Barzani has been training Syrian Kurdish fighters, as well as possibly by Iran and Iraq, which will be looking for new partners in the post-Assad Syria.

Turkey may, therefore, look to its military to restrict Kurdish autonomy and the PYD's influence. However, that is easier said than done. Firstly, pursuing PYD targets before the Assad regime falls could provoke a response from Damascus and radically transform the uprising into a direct military confrontation between the two states. Secondly, the PYD cannot single-handedly control the whole of Syria's Kurdish region and must instead operate with other groupings, some of which Turkey will deem more acceptable.

Finally, Russia and Iran, who would also be looking to protect their own strategic interests and leverage in a new Syria, would fiercely reject any Turkish military advancement. They would be telling Turkey that it cannot on the one hand call for regime change and yet, on the other hand, prevent a pluralistic Syria from emerging. Iran would also be reminding Turkey of its decision to turn a blind eye to the sectarian Sunni Islamic fundamentalist presence in Syria, which Iran views as a direct threat.

As a consequence, Turkey's best hope is to work in co-operation with Syria's Kurds, accepting that this will be far more constructive and effective than trying to prevent the unpreventable: the emergence of an autonomous Syrian Kurdistan. Turkey's previous experience with the Iraqi Kurds shows that this approach works and that it is the only plausible option in a region that looks set to finally gift the Kurds with the opportunities that have eluded them for decades.

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Re: PYD leader in a meeting with Dr.Barham in hawler

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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:53 pm

Turkey launches military drill on Syrian border

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Kurdish supreme council represents us - Kurds in Aleppo

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