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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: Cewlik » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:47 pm

Turkey can not attack west Kurdistan only because the Kurds fight for their rights and want to build autonomy there. Thats why they use the PKK "Terrorists" excuse to legalize the attack on west Kurdistan. But the International community will not accept that, because PYD is not the PKK and the PYD is not recognized as a terror organization and the PKK dont attack Turkey from west Kurdistan bases. So they have no legitimity to attack west Kurdistan, but if they decide to attack, it will be a war against all Kurds and the PKK and the KNC will not be silent. And also because of Turkey we need the KNC Peshmergas in west Kurdistan.
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PostAuthor: brendar » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:55 pm

This is very important and it shows how PYD is ruling West Kurdistan.
Syrian Kurds united against Assad

The assassination last week of four key members of Bashar al-Assad’s “crisis management cell” eclipsed what may have been a more important victory in the war against his regime: the “liberation” of the Kurdish al-Hasekah region of Syria. A new compact has provisionally united all Syrian Kurdish groups against Assad. The Hawler Agreement, about which I blogged last week, has led to the formation of a Supreme Kurdish Council tasked with handling everything from security in Kurdish areas in Syria to foreign relations. Some analysts see in this Council the seeds of an aspiring autonomous or semi-autonomous Kurdish regional government in Syria, one that could theoretically stand in antagonism to whatever post-Assad state emerges.

The real achievement of this accord, however, is the reconciliation between the Kurdish National Council (KNC), an umbrella group representing Syria’s main Kurdish parties, and the Democratic Union (PYD), which is the Syrian arm of the Kurdish Workers Party (PKK). Turkey considers the PKK a terrorist organisation and is still very much at war with it. Moreover, the PYD was formerly seen to have allied with Assad’s military intelligence apparatus and suspicion is rife as to what its volte-face as a pro-revolutionary party represents.

Given Turkey’s military buildup at the Syrian border, and its hosting and indirect arming of the Free Syrian Army, how will this agreement affect Ankara’s future policy-making toward Syria? And how would the emergence of an autonomous Syrian Kurdistan, a counterpart to the Iraqi model, fit into a post-Assad state?

I contacted Dr Abdulhakim Bashar, the former chairman of the KNC who now heads its foreign affairs committee (he's also the Secretary-General of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Syria). I asked him to explain what the Hawler Agreement really means.

To what extent is the Hawler Agreement an equal accord between the PYD and the KNC? Will both groups decide by consensus how to police the liberated Kurdish cities and towns of Syria, or does the PYD still run its own policies in some areas?

There is no equality in the agreement. In fact, it is in favor of PYD both in terms of the political dimension, as PYD is known for its connection with the Syrian authorities, and in terms of the proportion of representation. At the time of the formation of the KNC, the Kurdish parties refused to give any concessions to the PYD and in this agreement, PYD has obtained many privileges which we accepted because of our strong will to avoid any Kurdish-Kurdish conflict in Syria, and also in order to focus on the efforts to overthrow the regime. Although the agreement emphasises on the management of the Kurdish areas consensually, the PYD is still applying its own policies in all Kurdish areas through its People's Protection Armed Forces.

How confident is the KNC that the PYD will be a partner given its previous alliance with the Assad regime and its attacks on, and threats against, KNC members?

The PYD has used the language of threats, intimidation and violence against the Kurdish activists and peaceful demonstrators. PYD’s ideology, their unwillingness to commit to joint work and their determination to lead the group which they work with suggests their non-acceptance of the KNC as a real partner, and despite that we will make every effort to implement the Erbil [Hawler] Agreement and fully comply with its articles of which the overthrow of the regime is one of its main points. This means that PYD must cut off all its previous relations with the Assad regime and prove it by deed.

President Barzani was the guiding force behind this agreement. In recent years, Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq have grown closer politically and more cooperative on security matters.

Was Ankara aware of the Hawler Agreement before it was signed? Has it given any indications as to whether or not it will accept a semi-autonomous Kurdish region in Syria that is partly controlled by the PYD?

I do not think that Turkey was aware of this agreement. Turkey has a real desire to put all efforts in the service of bringing down the [Assad] dictatorship. At the same time, I think Turkey will never allow the PYD to control Syrian Kurdistan, not even partly, and that is why it opposes any attempt at a Kurdish semi-autonomous or a federal region. However, we in the KNC and the Kurdish Democratic Party will act in accordance to the interests of our people, taking in consideration the reality of the New Syria and our own self potential.

There have been several incidents of both Kurdish and PKK-affiliated flags being raised in villages close to the Turkish border, raising concerns in the Turkish press and among its military establishment. Can you describe what's taking place? Is the KNC fearful that Turkey might intervene in Kurdish areas of Syria?

What happens is that the Syrian authorities have withdrawn from some of the administrative and civil services and handed their management over to the PYD members who in turn raised the flags of their party. In terms of liberation, no areas have been liberated in Syrian Kurdistan in any meaningful sense. Liberating any city would mean either partial liberation, or Kurdish control and the inability of the regime’s men to access it, or full liberation, the expulsion of all the security forces. None of this applies to what happened in Syrian Kurdistan. Members of the security forces constantly visit all the constituencies announced as liberated. In fact, we are very concerned about that because PYD’s armed control might lead to bad consequences, one of which is Turkish invasion of Syrian Kurdistan.

What kind of engagement has the KNC had with the Syrian National Council in recent weeks? The SNC president is himself a Kurd. Has this changed the KNC's prior view of the SNC as a Muslim Brotherhood-dominated vehicle for Arab Islamism?

Our relation with the Syrian National Council is good. Despite the main role of the Muslim Brotherhood in the SNC, our communications with the various Syrian opposition factions have so far proved that the SNC is the most responsive frame and closest to our vision about the future of Syria and the strategy of solution for the Kurdish issue in spite of the other differences between us in many national issues. I think the SNC is now working more realistically and with more responsibility than before, this could be because its new president is more familiar with the Syrian issues or perhaps the practical experiment of the SNC have given it more experience on various issues.

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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: brendar » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:56 pm

kurdistano, you can see what PYD is breaching clearly.
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:01 pm

Cewlik wrote:We have alredy to much flags, that is the problem and only because of the PKK they will not create a nother flag. We have one national flag and PKK and PYD must accept that, thats it. They must also accept that they build a united force the Yekîneyên Parastina Gel, where the KNC must also have a part of the control, not only the PYD.



That is what I mean by they are doing things alone , KNC has those peshmergas which look more legit (trained and well dressed) but PYD is refusing to have them come even though they are western kurdistanis just like the YPG of PYD !! Isn't this breaching any agreement of "joint work" is seems PYD is acting as a main hand in WK and this is wrong .
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PostAuthor: diako_ber » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:03 pm

Kurdistano wrote:I watched the speech I couldnt hear anything of Erdogan going into the direction of "entering Syria". retarded Dutch news agency is making up shit just like most of their racist people.


After erdogan's speech the guy says that erdogan also mentioned that he is willing to attack "northern Syria".
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:36 pm

diako_ber wrote:
Kurdistano wrote:I watched the speech I couldnt hear anything of Erdogan going into the direction of "entering Syria". retarded Dutch news agency is making up shit just like most of their racist people.


After erdogan's speech the guy says that erdogan also mentioned that he is willing to attack "northern Syria".


I do not think Turkey will ever attack western Kurdistan and even if they do there will be lots of casualties which will lead to the the collapse of the current government . Keep in mind that turkey will have to fight at three fronts (PKK and PYD/KNC and Syrian arab nationlist) with no end to the war . Beside they can not stay forever because it is just too costly .

I think Barzani hold the key that will make everyone happy and upset in the same time .
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:04 pm

Even if turkey invades it will be for two weeks like they did with KRG , mighty US will not swap KRG's oil for stupid Turks . Even milky couldn't
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Committee press conference

PostAuthor: brendar » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:40 pm

Committee press conference to support the Kurds in Western Kurdistan - Sulaymaniyah
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: diako_ber » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:33 pm

Another news article about kerdogan saying that he will attack "northern Syria" in order to eliminate the pkk

http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/buit ... rs-in-syrië-aan
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

PostAuthor: diako_ber » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:41 pm

ERBIL, July 26 (AKnews) – Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned that his country could strike the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) on Syrian soil.

Erdogan accused the Syrian government of allotting five provinces to the Kurds and allowing Kurdish rebels to operate inside the north of the country, reported The Daily Star.

The Turkish PM warned that Ankara would not hesitate to strike against them.

Erdogan told Turkish television on Wednesday: "In the north, it has allotted five provinces to the Kurds, to the terrorist organization."

When asked if Ankara would strike fleeing rebels after an attack on Turkish soil, the PM said: "That's not even a matter of discussion, it is a given. That is the objective, that is what must be done."


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Let's watch out lest Kurds are hit

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:42 am

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*By Bedran Ahmed Habeeb

Syrian regime will not leave so easily. Still there are many cards for it to use before leaving. It looks like the leaders of the regime are quite certain that they should leave anyway, therefore, they want the maximum blood stream from the risen Syrian nation, before they leave. These leaders look at the majority of the Syrian nation with the sectarian eye and enjoy the blood which daily flows. Therefore, the endurance of war time, even if the war ends in their failure, is considered a victory for them, regarding the continuation of bloodshed of the ungodly Sunnis.

Few weeks ago, shooting down a Turkish plane was a way to attract the Turkey for creating a war front against Syria or at least a retaliation which certainly, "even if small", would lead to many possibilities, the lightest of which would end at this regime's interest.

By launching a terrorist attack in Bulgaria a few days ago, (many believed was done by Hezbollah) which claimed the lives of some Israeli tourists, as Israel president said, was another attempt to indulge a foreign party, i.e. Israel, in this war which has been roving in Syria for almost 17 months and so far has monthly sacrificed the lives of thousands of innocent humans.

The foreign parties, both Turkey and Israel, have acted more wisely than fulfilling the hope of the Syrian regime or beyond that the hope of Iran and also Russia. The international community, too, has acted wisely since the beginning and has rejected the prospect of foreign intervention in Syrian crisis. The Arab League has also acted similarly. Everyone is against foreign intervention; they know that the Syrian regime is craving for it.

This has many perspectives. Russia is scared that the role of Turkey may increase in this new conflict which has overwhelmed Middle East. The conflict this time in the Middle East is different from the previous conflicts which most of them were in the frame of nationality or sectarianism (Arab-Israel conflict, Iraq-Iran war, conflict of Kurds and the oppressive regimes): all were either ethnic or ethnic religious.

The conflict this time more and more is dressing itself in an extensive Shiite-Sunni sectarian outfit. The entire nations in the region, small or big, this time for participating in this conflict, have stood up. First of all are Turks who want to harvest "the most" advantage from it and finally pose themselves as the superpower of the region or the big brother of the Sunni nations (and above all Arab).

The Russians are spooked by this; the amplifying role of Turks in this area has completely diminished the role of Russians because (as they can see) Sunni Arabs have gladly stood up to welcome the role of Turks.

In addition to this, for Russians the long war between the Ottoman Empire and the dear Tsar Russia is not forgettable. Certainly, Iran's memory of the Ottomans is not more pleasant than that of Russia. Therefore, Russians and Iranians are yearning for a foreigner to involve in the Syrian crisis and become a pretext for them to stage a chaos, the end of which cannot be seen.

We should also know that this is the last war of Russians and Iranians with the west, which end by determining their "being good or bad". Therefore, they are not terrified of any consequences.

After the end of cold war when the Soviet system terminated and Russia replaced it,
Arab Spring since last year became another determiner (maybe the last episode) in the conflict between west and Russia which Russians seem to lose.

As for Iran, it’s clear for all the US is preparing itself for striking a strong blow at Iran. It is several years Iran is trying to become the superpower in the Middle East by producing nuke and this is for the US an act redder than crossing the red line.

As media news have reported Syria is not reluctant in exploiting chemical weapons, of which it possesses plenty, against any foreigner who dares to move against it. In this the referent is more Turkey. This chemical weapon, which (hopefully) will not be used against poor Kurds again, will be the last weapon the Syrian regime resorts to.

For me the striking point in the Syrian crisis since the beginning was that the Syrian regime, a regime which till yesterday denied Kurds citizenship, this time has prevented itself from confronting or killing Kurds. Apart from murder of Mashaal Tamo, we see that in this war Kurd has not sustained too much damage.

The leaders of this regime are aware that killing Kurds has become "a dough which take too much water" and will pave the way for the widest foreign intervention.

Kurds have legitimate causes and demands, this regime cannot attach any defamatory name as "terrorist groups" or "foreign servants" to them as it has named the others in Syria. In the eye of the world, the Kurdish issue has passed the stage of being associated with misfit names. Now as we see, it is lucky for us that for the first time in the history "Kurdish blood is not cheap."

Let's come back to the subject. Syria wants to use the Kurdish card which is one of the most dangerous cards. The continuous nightmare of Kurdistan occupiers is that "behind each part of Kurdistan lies another part and may awaken each other." This is the nightmare that Syria wants to frighten Turkey with. That's why, as these days, some sporadic news penetrates which alleges Syrian regime has entrusted the protection of the Kurdish region to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Perhaps one is stuck at calling this mission "protection or repression", regarding the clear behavior of the PKK since the advent of the crisis. Therefore, we have no choice but to believe that this attempt is Syrian regime's attempt for attracting Turkey, for the engagement of the latter in an internal affair of the former. No one should forget that when it comes to the PKK, Turks have no sense and strike like crazy people. Saddam Hussein also in his time was acting and hitting crazily in the face of Kurdish issue.

In the final year of Iraq-Iran war, if it was not for Kurdish indiscretion, Halabja's bombardment with chemical weapon would not have happened and we would not have become a lesson for the world.

In the previous conference of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK), Jalal Talabani clarified what went on behind the curtains with regard to striking Halabja. Regretting and mourning after the occurrence of the catastrophe are pointless. One should take lesson from mishap and prevent its recurrence.

Jihad Maqdes, the official spokesperson of Syrian Foreign Ministry, said they will use chemical weapon against the foreign forces if they intend to interfere with internal affairs of Syria. This is the threat "between two hot pieces of bread", as a Kurdish expression puts it. Turks have been interfering in Syrian crisis since the beginning and Syria has taken the retaliation for its appropriate time which has now arrived and has slipped PKK into the game.

What is the guarantee that due to this unwise position of Kurds themselves, due to the involvement of the Kurdish district or attracting it in the dispute between these two countries, a catastrophe (exactly Halabaj) may not be repeated?

Since the beginning of this Syrian crisis, PKK has been labeled Shabiha (the sentinel of the Syrian security organizations for quenching the Kurdish rebels) and now that the mission of "protecting the Kurdish districts" is entrusted to it, this is only to make it the "red cape" to stimulate the rabid Turkish bull to attract it for involvement in a horn fight. Certainly the end of this abhorrent horn fight, if God forbidden happened, will be a catastrophe for Kurds.

Kurds still have time, in this conflict of the Middle East, to play creepily which is better than standing in the front line of war. If the PKK truly fights for Kurds, what is better than it if in front of its eyes, without pouring its sweet or blood, the bloodthirsty Syrian regime collapses and is mocked by the world?

I believe obtaining Kurdish rights in Syria in the phase and so horridly is "something in the throat of whale". In the same way that Kurds have not shed blood or have shed a little, they should not rush to impose big and many conditions and demands. Let them act a little drunkenly till it becomes clear in the multiply-owned Syria who can climb up the ladder of authority.

It is not clear if Ekhwan (if they seize power) will establish a democrat or dictatorial system. Ekhwan is a comprehensive name for a group of political separate controversial Islamic tendencies, who are only united over God. One should not evaluate every Ekhwan group by the norms of Justice and Development Party of Erdogan which is more open than the rest. In the end, (as I said before), as Kurds, we have reached an era where no longer the Kurds' blood is cheap and their possessions at waste.

In general and apart from Syrian crisis, I'm not very certain that the Kurds will get something worthy from the Shiite-Sunni conflict. The adventures of the Kurdish princes in the Ottoman and Safawi eras are not very far from us, when the princes were not more than triggers till the day Ottomans and Safawis did not need them anymore.

It should not be forgotten that wherever Turkish state is, there is no Kurdish right, in the same way that where an Iranian state is there is no Kurdish right or name of Kurds. Please Kurds, in this labyrinthine way, try to prevent taking big blows and if you have some achievement and historic treasure, protect it well and do not gamble over it in this extremely risky stage, as Haji has described it "between the millstones of Rome and Ajam."

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Turkey deeply concerned by Kurdish control in northern Syria

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:47 am

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ERBIL, July 26 (AKnews) – Turkey is deeply concerned by the control of northern Syria by Kurdish armed groups warning that it will take measures in case a group thtais affiliated with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) retains control.
 
The concerns manifested themselves on Thursday when Turkish Prime Minister Recep Teyyip Erdogan warned Syrian Kurds that Turkey will militarily intervene in Syria if PKK-affiliated groups retain control of the Kurdish territories of the country close to the Turkish border.
 
Turkey is concerned that a Kurdish controlled region in Syria will open another front for the PKK rebel group that has been fighting the Turkish state for three decades using the northern mountainous regions of northern Kurdish region of Iraq as a hideout out for many years.
 “We will not let the terrorist group [PKK] to set up camps [in northern Syria] and pose a threat to us,” Erdoğan told reporters on Thursday, “No one should attempt to provoke us. We will not bow to provocation but rather take whatever steps are necessary against terrorism.”
Turkey lists the PKK who claim to be fighting for the rights of Turkey’s Kurds, as a terrorist organization. The US and some EU countries also label the group as a terrorist organization.
Erdoğan's Justice and Development Party officials have told Today's Zaman that the party's executive board is expected to discuss next week whether to call for an early end to Parliament's recess so that lawmakers can debate and vote on a measure authorizing the government to send troops abroad.
As the fighting in Syria intensified, Syrian forces withdrew from several Kurdish cities and towns to back up their forces in Damascus and other hotspots of fighting with the opposition forces. A coalition of Kurdish groups, among them the Democratic Union Party (PYD) that has been accused by Turkey of having links with the PKK, took control of those areas.
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Re: Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

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