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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:13 pm

^Who cares if Turkey recxongizes us or not? When an army of Peshmerga is on their doorstep, then they can not recongize us.
However Turkey actually do have bilertial relations with us.
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Re: MIT : US urged turkey to recognise a kurdish state

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:20 pm

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alan131210 wrote:ok here we go :D :D :D

Turkey intelligence agency MIT announced through a Turkish newspaper , that USA has asked Turkey to recognize and agree to a kurdish state in KRG.

(Bani Jakh) a Turkish newspaper reported that a source from MIT told them about the news and it says " David Petraeus , American intelligence agency leader has urged turkey to agree and recognize a kurdish state in Kurdistan region of Iraq"

The source has confirmed that David Petraeus has also met with Erdogan on 12th of March and has officially urged Ankara to recognize a kurdish state in KRG . Petraeus told Turkish officials the reason for this request is because the Central Baghdad has started its anti campaign against KRG to make it collapse.

The newspaper also reveals that Petraeus told the Turks if they recognize the kurdish state Turkey can act as a big brother for this new country in the region and they can also benefit from the natural resources of Kirkuk and parts of Mosul.

http://kurdish.sbeiy.com/Detail.aspx?id=5427&LinkID=4.


so we can come to the conclusion that the disputed areas will be included in the state backed by USA


I am sure this comes with the support of the powerfull American-Jewish lobby. I read an article a few months ago that they want a strong Kurdish state in the Middle-East :D :D.

Long Live Kurdistan!

And Turkey has to agree. There is no other option for them. Otherwise they will loose United States as a partner. And let's be honest; Turkey might have a strong and big army, but the United States are able to defeat it within less than a week :P.

Well I hate to sound like an ass, but the only reason they want a strong Kurdish state is to balance the power in the middle-east. The Americans and Israelis are scared of Iran's influence in Syria and Iraq, especialy that Syria is on the verge of regime change.
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:23 pm

not because war. who can start a war so easyly?
because if they dont recognize and close their borders, then it will be very hard to sell oil. without the piplines its riscy. with which money could kurdistan live without the oil?

if we had a assecc to ocean thenit would be not important wheter turkey recognize or not

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:26 pm

hevalo27 wrote:not because war. who can start a war so easyly?
because if they dont recognize and close their borders, then it will be very hard to sell oil. without the piplines its riscy. with which money could kurdistan live without the oil?

if we had a assecc to ocean thenit would be not important wheter turkey recognize or not

We would have the UN on our side.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:38 pm

according to ekurd , a new pipeline is under construction by turkish oil general energy connect all oil fields in Kurdistan directly to turkey , i dont think they will say no to such benefits in return Kurdistan might refrain from land grab in NK .

or we can find another way out , even through iraq to Jordan since there is a Jordanian consulate in kurdistan cos put it this way iraq is not as bad as turkey or iran .
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:41 pm

the un cant force turkey to open there borders.
turkey now when they accept southkurdistan, then its just a cause of the time all parts of kurdistan will be independent and get free.
western kurdistan would want to get annexed to them in case assad regime will fall.
nevertheless let us hope it will happen.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:42 pm

here it is , so the pipelines are real and turkey is building it , one would think what the heck for :D

Genel Enerji Plans New Kurdistan-Turkey Pipeline, FT Reports

Genel Enerji AS plans to build a pipeline that will connect its fields in the Kurdish regions in northern Iraq to a port in Turkey on the Mediterranean, the Financial Times reported on Monday. The pipeline will have a capacity to export 400,000 barrels of oil a day, it said, citing Tony Hayward, the former head of BP Plc, who runs the investment company Vallares Plc that has announced an agreement to merge with Genel Energi.

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:44 pm

or we can find another way out , even through iraq to Jordan since there is a Jordanian consulate in kurdistan


this is possible. if kurds seperate, maybe irak will break in a sunni and shia state.
the parts of sunnites are very poor. they would have to open their borders, if they dont want to fall in poverty.

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:47 pm

hevalo27 wrote:
or we can find another way out , even through iraq to Jordan since there is a Jordanian consulate in kurdistan


this is possible. if kurds seperate, maybe irak will break in a sunni and shia state.
the parts of sunnites are very poor. they would have to open their borders, if they dont want to fall in poverty.


indeed we can use Al hashimi for this since we saved his life , and offer him permanent residency in Kurdistan .
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: Rando » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:06 pm

agreed. the oil of iraq is in kurdistan and South (shia) iraq. so the sunnis would benefit greatly by allowing us to bulid pipelines trough sunni iraq if iraq would divide. from sunni iraq we could get to jordan,and from there on to the sea.
to be honest,i think its better to put up pipelines trough sunni iraq (if its ever gonna exsist) than turkey.
turkeys army is huge and it have some very modern weapons like F-16 and Leopard 2A4/5 tanks. if we would ever gonna get into political conflicts,They could treathen with blocking the pipelines. and we wouldn`t be able to do much cuz of their army (like now,they are bombing us,and we can`t do a thing)
sunni iraq would be/is weaker than peshmerga,and it would think twince before messing with the pipelines or anything in kurdish interests.
but anyways,kurdistan as an offical country is near :D i am sure S.K will be indeependent this year.
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:50 pm

you guys forgetting that the most powerful nation USA has officially expressed its support of a kurdish state , this changes everything .
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PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:19 pm

i dont trust them. its come from turkish newspaper. whict newspaper?
they said kurdistan will make independence at newroz. nothing happened.
maybe its not true.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:31 pm

hevalo27 wrote:i dont trust them. its come from turkish newspaper. whict newspaper?
they said kurdistan will make independence at newroz. nothing happened.
maybe its not true.


yeah it was suppose to happen Bazani said " we wanted to give the kurdish people great news in newroz but the timing it not right at the moment , but it will be soon" , so they were actually right :D , and it wasnt MIT who said this before .

you need to be less negative , MIT will not just make up BS for no reason , its not a property agency , its a govt intelligence agency .
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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: hevalo27 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:40 pm

you need to be less negative , MIT will not just make up BS for no reason , its not a property agency , its a govt intelligence agency .


yes, but had MIT said it really? you wrote, MIT sayd trough a turkish newspaper. which newspaper? are they serious kak alan?
i serched via google but i dont find anything

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Re: Kurdistan independent related articles

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:45 pm

hevalo27 wrote:
you need to be less negative , MIT will not just make up BS for no reason , its not a property agency , its a govt intelligence agency .


yes, but had MIT said it really? you wrote, MIT sayd trough a turkish newspaper. which newspaper? are they serious kak alan?
i serched via google but i dont find anything


it says which newspaper read it properly barez .
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