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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:16 pm

unitedkurdistan wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.


Russia is the only nation that has respected us and the only nation that has supportet a kurdish state, they created Red Kurdistan and supported the Republic of Mahabad.



Bro this is ridiculous nonsense. Saddam was not supported by US but bought weapons from them, Russia was a ally of Saddam till the war started most of their weapons were Russian made. It was Russia who sold Mahabad Republic to Persians after the had an agreement. Russia deported Thousands of Kurds into Central Asia just to get rid of them. During World War 1 they supported Assyrians and Armenians to get rid of Kurds.

Every person who thinks Russia was a nation respecting us is a truly delusional and has not learned from History. Russia-USA-China they will only help you if they see advantage in you. And this is what we need to show.

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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:22 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.



Russia gives a shit about Kurds as well, they are supporters of Iran and Syria the regimes occupying two parts of Kurdistan why arent they bombing Iran for it, you tell me? Israel is by far more reliable ally than US or Russia since they are alone in the whole Middle East and need a friendly state close in the neighborhood. Also dont forget it was Israel helping Mustafa Barzani during his war with Iraq. Tell me who else did that.

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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: unitedkurdistan » Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:51 pm

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Bro this is ridiculous nonsense. Saddam was not supported by US but bought weapons from them, Russia was a ally of Saddam till the war started most of their weapons were Russian made. It was Russia who sold Mahabad Republic to Persians after the had an agreement. Russia deported Thousands of Kurds into Central Asia just to get rid of them. During World War 1 they supported Assyrians and Armenians to get rid of Kurds.

Every person who thinks Russia was a nation respecting us is a truly delusional and has not learned from History. Russia-USA-China they will only help you if they see advantage in you. And this is what we need to show.


Wasn't it US who denied the Halabja and cehmical attacks at the first? Didn't US sell chemical weapons to Saddam? Yes Russia sold weapons to US but so did many other countries. It was pressure from western powers which made soviet make a deal with the regime so they promised the iranian regime that they would pull back of Mahabad. The republic was dependant on Soviet, they were the ones who bought the tobacco we produced. They provided motor transport and held the iranian army away from the republic. I exaggerated that they respected us but they have done more for us than any other nation in the world even if it was all done for their own purpose. If it wouldn't be for Soviet who allowed a safe passage for Mustafa Barzani than there wouldn't be a free southern kurdistan.
When the Tsar got killed armenians in the soviet army left the army since they had no orders to follow and one of the things they did was killing kurds. They did bring diseases and devestation especially to Rawanduz area during the war with ottoman. Wasn't the brits who supported the assyrians? Stalin was a psychopatic retard and is the main reason so many kurds got deported. Out of all nations we have gained more from Soviet than any other country but still it was just for their own purpose.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: crazyhorse » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:15 pm

jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.

Russians reliable?
Do you know why the Republic of Mahabad failed?
Because the Russians said after a few months: we don't support you anymore.

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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: Rando » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:38 pm

Russian equipment is much more affordable by us.
and im sure many of you think "But russian equipment is inferior to american. Just look at israeli-arab wars and US-iraq war". There are several reasons for those losses.
Lets start with the tank battles:
Lots of channels,including history channel,show lots of pro-western "documentaries". They focus too much on arab mistakes and they "forget" that israelis made huge mistakes too who resulted in large casulties.
Second,The training/crew is more important than the tanks. History have poven this sooo many times (not only in tanks,but also in small arms,planes etc). The isrealis/westernes was much better trained than the arabs.
Third,Soviet used to export only downgraded models (whom they called Monkey models) to the arabs. Their own tanks had much better guns,armours,MS,NV,ammo etc. Some even had Gun fitted ATGMs.
Fourth,The leadership and inteligence. The israelis used much better tactics (many of them focusing on outflanking the enemy,meaning attacks from behind/side,where the tank is almost armourless) than the arabs and had much more information of where their artillery was hidden,tanks were attacking from etc,as they had better inteligence.
The iraqi army was capable of only set-piece operations at brigade level,while the westernes could move whole divisions very fast. (which was very new for iraqis)
5th (Goes for iraqi "T-72"): They were HEAVILY downgraded from the already downgraded T-72M,while the americans used Abrams (3rd generation tank) and Heavily UPgraded M60s,even the kuwaities used M84,a yugoslavian bulit T-72B (T-72B=upgraded T-72)
6th air supiriority: The western forces had complete air supiriority and dropped bombs equal to 10 atomic bombs over iraqi forces.
in 1967 isrealis dropped tons of napalm over egyptian armour in the sinai.

i could go on on reasons in history,but i wont. i will compare the T-90 to abrams.

Mobility and crew comfort:
The speed is questionable,as some sources claim the abrams can go in 42MPH,while others say 35MPH.
The T-90 goes in 40MPH.
The T-90 have better operational range (260 vs ~370). The Ground Pressure of T-90 is also lower than M1A2. The T-90 is smaller,which makes it harder to detect/hit. However,the M1A2 faster in reverse and have better space for crew (but have 4 crew members,while the T-90 have 3,as it have an auto-loader). T-90 also have a limitation on hight of crew members (As the tank is small). But thats no problem for kurds,as many kurds are short :p None of the tanks have passenger capacity,like the Isreali merkava have.

Firepower:
The gun of T-90 is larger than that of the M1A2 (125mm vs 120mm).
The T-90 have a capacity for more tanks rounds in it than M1A2 . The M1A2s coaxial Gun fire faster than the T-90s AND have more ammo for it. The M1A2 also have better gun elevation.
But the T-90 have a MISSILE capability (AT-8 songster),something the M1A2 dont have.

Protection:
The M1A2 have flamable fuel,something the T-90 dont have (the russians learned from past mistakes)
The T-90 have APS and ERA and an escape hatch.
The T-90 uses: Laminated RHA Steel,Quartz Gravel,Applique
M1A2 uses: Laminated RHA Steel,DU
The M1A2 have Blow-off Panels.

Stealth/suprise:
T-90 is much smaller and weight 2/3 of the M1A2. T-90 have landline cable jack and Tank to infantry Telephone.
Both have APU and TIS optics.
T-90 have longer operational range as i said.
Both have night vision.
The T-90 is better for suprise attacks than M1A2.

Other:
M1A2 uses 8 times more fuel than T-90.
the T-90 have a 400rds tube life,while the M1A2 have 150 (kind of uncertain about the M1A2s,tough).
there is a little more M1A2s bulit than T-90.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:55 pm

crazyhorse wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.

Russians reliable?
Do you know why the Republic of Mahabad failed?
Because the Russians said after a few months: we don't support you anymore.

WhAHAHA

Russia was the one that helped republic of Mahabad in the first place, it was not up to them to decide the fate of the Kurds.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:58 pm

Kurdistano wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.



Russia gives a shit about Kurds as well, they are supporters of Iran and Syria the regimes occupying two parts of Kurdistan why arent they bombing Iran for it, you tell me? Israel is by far more reliable ally than US or Russia since they are alone in the whole Middle East and need a friendly state close in the neighborhood. Also dont forget it was Israel helping Mustafa Barzani during his war with Iraq. Tell me who else did that.

How are they supporters of Iran and Syria? They only provide weapons to Syria as a reliable ally, whilst Iran they just don't want American influence over its border. Plus Israel handed over Serok APO, so you cannot talk to me about that argument. Even with the Serbs in Kosovo, Russians sent in volunteers un-officially to help out.
By the way Israel owns America, as most of the lobbiests are filled with Israelis, its just a fact man. So Israel is actually quite strong and has the power to help us if it wanted to.

Kurdistano you honestly did not just say Russia was an ally of Iraq? Please show me a formal document that Iraq and Russia was allies? Exactly my point, there wasn't any. They may of sold weapons, but weren't allies. Plus it was the Americans who sold weapons to Saddam, who actually helped him into power.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: brendar » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:14 pm

crazyhorse wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Look where better off making arms deals with Russia, they are a far reliable ally. Why are people on here so adament on relations with Israel? That country is worse than the Nazis, they opress so many minorities and probably don't give a f**k about most of the Kurds. I mean they probably see us as the same as Persians or Turks, if they really supported us. Then they would bomb Turkey and Iran right at this moment.

Russians reliable?
Do you know why the Republic of Mahabad failed?
Because the Russians said after a few months: we don't support you anymore.

WhAHAHA


If a country relies on another, it will fail no matter what! Russia could not have stayed there and support the kurds forever. However, even now we should not rely on any countries. A Greater Kurdistan has to be built and supported by all Kurds and kurds only, not non-kurds. Otherwise, it will definitely fail just like Mahabad and Red Kurdistan.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:56 pm

Wasn't it US who denied the Halabja and cehmical attacks at the first?



They denied the chemical attack on halabja????


Didn't US sell chemical weapons to Saddam?



No it was Germany before making false allegations inform yourself.

Yes Russia sold weapons to US but so did many other countries.


You are generalizing the wrongs of Russia but pointing out the wrong doings of US as if it was something more special. What a smart move. `None of us not me nor Cewlik claimed US made no wrong about us in fact we both clearly stated that in Kurdish case US and Russia were and are almost one and the same but you and Jmmuneer seem to be convinced that Russia did "good" to us. What kind of bad joke is that?


It was pressure from western powers which made soviet make a deal with the regime so they promised the iranian regime that they would pull back of Mahabad.


Come on dude what kind of crap you claim, during Cold War, when neither Russia nor US would have listen to one word of each other you think Russians pull back because of the West?

Where are your sources this is the first time I hear such a ridiculous claim.

The republic was dependant on Soviet, they were the ones who bought the tobacco we produced. They provided motor transport and held the iranian army away from the republic.



Till the made a deal with the Persians and sold us like cheap food to the hungry Iranians.


I exaggerated that they respected us but they have done more for us than any other nation in the world



More than just exaggerated and they indeed have done much to us, like supporting Armenians and Assyrians in killing Kurds and forming pan Christian military groups in which they hunted Kurds together with Armenians.
even if it was all done for their own purpose. If it wouldn't be for Soviet who allowed a safe passage for Mustafa Barzani than there wouldn't be a free southern kurdistan.

If it wasnt for the Israelis who gave Mustafa Barzani military support than it would have looked much worse for now. Even if it was for their own purpose if it wasnt for the US who brought down Saddam we wouldnt be in the situation we are today. You realize what I am trying to say? All of the so called "positive" things of Soviets for Kurds can be reflected to the West too. But that doesnt man that they respected us.


When the Tsar got killed armenians in the soviet army left the army since they had no orders to follow and one of the things they did was killing kurds. They did bring diseases and devestation especially to Rawanduz area during the war with ottoman. Wasn't the brits who supported the assyrians?


So did the Russians in supporting Assyrian and Armenian gangs see above. So how does this fact make Russians more supportive for Kurds?

Stalin was a psychopatic retard and is the main reason so many kurds got deported. Out of all nations we have gained more from Soviet than any other country but still it was just for their own purpose.



This last sentence is the most important, stop making yourself some illusions and see it how it is US, Russia, China or whatever country you want none of them would give up their allies because of us Kurds and non of them has done more good to us than the other. So stop being some soviet fanboy open the eyes and see the reality all ex soviet countries have a shitty economic with shitty politics why do you think so?
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:12 pm

jjmuneer wrote:How are they supporters of Iran and Syria? They only provide weapons to Syria as a reliable ally,

Are you seriously now trying to argue about Russia not being an ally of Syria and Iran? ???? Is this some kind of joke? If yes its not funny.


whilst Iran they just don't want American influence over its border
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OH and now you are defending even the Iranian policy? So now even iranians are less bad than the US?




Plus Israel handed over Serok APO,


If Serok APO thinks he has to interfere in a Palestinian-Israeli war which is non of his business he is simply asking for it.

Even with the Serbs in Kosovo, Russians sent in volunteers un-officially to help out.


And they watch how the Serbs massacred thousands of Croats and Bosnians. There you have your voluntary Russians.

By the way Israel owns America, as most of the lobbiests are filled with Israelis, its just a fact man. So Israel is actually quite strong and has the power to help us if it wanted to.


Oh come on you are not believing these conspiracy rumors. You almost sound like one of those Hitler lovers who think the Jews are running the world. Its obvious that the Jews have a strong lobby in the US but running it? This is the reason why Israel tries to drag US into war with Iran since 3 years but failed so far. If it was them running the US, the US would be on war with Iran three years ago.
Kurdistano you honestly did not just say Russia was an ally of Iraq?

Most of Iraqs weapons were Russian made. So if you can blame everything on the West for selling Turkey weapons you have to be smart enough to blame the same on Russia too.
Please show me a formal document that Iraq and Russia was allies? Exactly my point, there wasn't any. They may of sold weapons, but weren't allies. Plus it was the Americans who sold weapons to Saddam, who actually helped him into power.


So "just selling Iraq weapons" does not make Russia an ally but US selling Iraq weapons makes them? What kind of logic is that? Every heard of the first Gulf war? US hated Saddam and Iraq till the beginning they simply made an agreement because the only country they hated more was Iran and if they were going to beat the shit out of Iraq, Iran would have taken control over Iraq simple as that. And this is exactly what iran is trying to do today.

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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: jjmuneer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:35 pm

Are you seriously now trying to argue about Russia not being an ally of Syria and Iran? ???? Is this some kind of joke? If yes its not funny.


Its not a joke I'm serios. Have they signed a formal agreement to support one another in a war?

OH and now you are defending even the Iranian policy? So now even iranians are less bad than the US?



In all honesty I was meant to write Russia, a freudian slip.

And they watch how the Serbs massacred thousands of Croats and Bosnians. There you have your voluntary Russians.


I was talking about Kosovo, which was Kosovan Albanians who were always support by Turkey.

come on you are not believing these conspiracy rumors. You almost sound like one of those Hitler lovers who think the Jews are running the world. Its obvious that the Jews have a strong lobby in the US but running it? This is the reason why Israel tries to drag US into war with Iran since 3 years but failed so far. If it was them running the US, the US would be on war with Iran three years ago.

A rumour? No actually I have plenty of Jewish friends who say it themselves that Israelis have strong influence on American politics. Plus CNN, ABC AND Foz news all owned by Zionist Jews. So its only natural they attempt to sway things into their favour.

Most of Iraqs weapons were Russian made. So if you can blame everything on the West for selling Turkey weapons you have to be smart enough to blame the same on Russia too.

Its not a matter of intelligence, as what you don't understand is that the USA have always betrayed their allies, such as Saddam, bin laden and alot of South American dictatorships.

o "just selling Iraq weapons" does not make Russia an ally but US selling Iraq weapons makes them? What kind of logic is that? Every heard of the first Gulf war? US hated Saddam and Iraq till the beginning they simply made an agreement because the only country they hated more was Iran and if they were going to beat the shit out of Iraq, Iran would have taken control over Iraq simple as that. And this is exactly what iran is trying to do today.

I never stated they were allies.
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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: unitedkurdistan » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:19 pm

Kurdistano: They denied the chemical attack on halabja????

Yes at the begining they denied but after a time they were forced to realize that the ally of theirs had used their chemicals to kill innocent kurds.





Kurdistano: No it was Germany before making false allegations inform yourself.
Russia did not sell chemical weapons but US did and so did many other countries.

US not selling chemicals!!?+ Are you for real go and search it up on the internet. They were one of the main actors along germans on selling chemicals, they were the ones helping saddam's airforce to integrate the chemical into their aircrafts which they later used against kurds in Southern Kurdistan and Eastern Kurdistan.


Kurdistano:You are generalizing the wrongs of Russia but pointing out the wrong doings of US as if it was something more special. What a smart move. `None of us not me nor Cewlik claimed US made no wrong about us in fact we both clearly stated that in Kurdish case US and Russia were and are almost one and the same but you and Jmmuneer seem to be convinced that Russia did "good" to us. What kind of bad joke is that?

I meant Russia sold weapons to saddam to but so did many other countries. No one did any good to us.



Kurdistano: Come on dude what kind of crap you claim, during Cold War, when neither Russia nor US would have listen to one word of each other you think Russians pull back because of the West?
Where are your sources this is the first time I hear such a ridiculous claim.

Have you heard about something called Iran crisis 1946? If you havn't go search it up . You'll find out that US helped the shah to invade Kurdistan and that US made an official protest at UN which made Soviet leave, it also forced the azeris in iran to flee to Azerbaiyan SSR.




Kurdistano:Till the made a deal with the Persians and sold us like cheap food to the hungry Iranians.

Let me put it this way, sadly but if it wouldn't be for Soviet, something called the Republic of Mahabad wouldn't exsist. It was because of western pressure.




Kurdistano:More than just exaggerated and they indeed have done much to us, like supporting Armenians and Assyrians in killing Kurds and forming pan Christian military groups in which they hunted Kurds together with Armenians.

Do you have proof that they formed pan christian military groups? I know that the brits supported the assyrians, I know that the armenian followed their own rules and killed many kurds and I know that the russians were communists not pro christian .

Kurdistano: If it wasnt for the Israelis who gave Mustafa Barzani military support than it would have looked much worse for now. Even if it was for their own purpose if it wasnt for the US who brought down Saddam we wouldnt be in the situation we are today. You realize what I am trying to say? All of the so called "positive" things of Soviets for Kurds can be reflected to the West too. But that doesnt man that they respected us.



Kurdistano: So did the Russians in supporting Assyrian and Armenian gangs see above. So how does this fact make Russians more supportive for Kurds?
Yes, because when it comes to supporting national kurdish movements they have done more than any other country.



´Kurdistano: This last sentence is the most important, stop making yourself some illusions and see it how it is US, Russia, China or whatever country you want none of them would give up their allies because of us Kurds and non of them has done more good to us than the other. So stop being some soviet fanboy open the eyes and see the reality all ex soviet countries have a shitty economic with shitty politics why do you think so?

That's the thing the russians has done more good to us than the others but that does not give you the right to insult me and call me a soviet fanboy. "The reality all ex soviet countries have a shitty economic with shitty politics why do you think so?" What do you mean? All ex soviet states followed Soviet in most concepts and that's why they are failed states today.

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Re: Peshmerga

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:15 am

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purearch72 wrote:I have reason to believe Quatar is part of the Israel and krg deal

We dont know, but some months ago KRG established an avation agency who will take over the airpsace over Erbil, Duhok and sulamniyah. This way it will be alot easier to ship in weapons from third parties without Bagdad inteferring and not giving planes right to land.


Correct, Qatar has helped KRG indirectly by offering aviation courses to 16 of Kurdish pilots who now along with other aviation expers run KRG's aviation agency.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:31 am

burnsss wrote: balls to sells us weaons when Barzani goes to russia in november. Maliki Tikriti will visit Russia this Monday and im sure he will lick the russian balls to discourage russia dealing with us. I really hate our enemies and their attempts of undermining everything kurds do :ymsick:


Milki is the filthiest thing walking on earth he did that with US begged them not to sell KRG weapons now he is visiting ahead of barzanis visit only to suck their third legs not to sell KRG weapons but Russia will sell weapons to even their enemies if they want no one can set conditions to them... So I'm sure barzani will score some weapons also a pressure on US to start selling us more advanced weapons maybe we need to counter purchase US weapons that milki will buy from Russia.

If I was barzani my shopping list would consist of

Jets (MiG 35/ MiG 29)
Attack helicopters (Ka-50 "Black Shark" / Ka-52 "Alligator")
Tanks (T90)
Anti tank launchers (9M133 Kornet)
Anti aircraft missiles (Strela 3)
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PostAuthor: brendar » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:55 pm

Milki is the filthiest thing walking on earth


Maliki or the guy before or after maliki are arabs and they are all the same sh!ts.
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